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Reader's Comment on Current Examination System 2007-03-15 13:21:00 A reader with the nickname SPM Boy has just left a great comment expressing his personal opinion on SPM examinations and our current education system in Malaysia. The comment is so thought-provoking that I think it deserves a post of itself so that all readers especially email subscribers will read it and perhaps share your views.Being a candidate of SPM '06 myself, I follow with profound interest, the avalanche of both public and professional views expressed following the glare of the national limelight upon the country's top scorers. As much as it has elicited publicity, the announcement of the results has, too, seen the engenderment of much disquiet apropos to the true nature and orientation of our examination system. Nevertheless, where are we actually heading in the rat race for straight A's?An illusion of immense and destructive proportions is percolating irrevocably within our education system with much reverberations whose ripple effects are yet to be manifest, albeit alread Read more:Reader
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5 Questions and Answers Websites for Students 2007-03-13 05:11:00 Life as a college student or undergraduate has always been hectic and filled with a mountain of homework, assignments, presentations, graduate thesis — you name it. We have to do some online research to find relevant information, facts and news on certain topics in completing our assignments or preparing for presentations. Sometimes, our research comes to a halt when we couldn't find the correct answers to our questions after checking hundreds of useless search results. Good news is that there're a few great websites that are specially devoted to create a place where people can ask and answer questions.The following websites are the popular Questions and Answers (Q&A) websites that are very resourceful to college students and undergraduates. We can ask questions for free and get high-quality answers sometimes. Some of you might have already discovered the following websites during your online journey. I arrange them using my magic formula — mixture of popularity and usefulness of Read more:Websites
Professionals and Degrees 2007-03-10 19:11:00 I often come across this question, “Degree and professional, which one is better ah?” And my usually impromptu answer for that question is, “Of course is professional lah…”I’m not so sure whether do you ever heard of the term ‘professional’, as I came along with this term 2 years ago only when I was doing some research for my tertiary education. It is not a new term, and some of the professional examination bodies have history of more than 100 over years. Professions are not the same as normal university degrees and in fact, most (or all) of the professions possess a very much higher standard than the normal university degrees, and they are usually recognized by most of the country around the world.What are actually professionals? Professionals are recognitions that required specialized and complex knowledge, trust from the public, and also the responsibility for the public. In another words, not every field has professional. For example, game designers do not need any Read more:Degrees
PSD Scholarships (Biasiswa JPA) for SPM Candidates 2007-03-10 05:54:00 Public Service Department (PSD) scholarships (also known as Biasiswa Jabatan Perkhidmatan Awam, JPA) are the most prestigious scholarships offered to Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia (SPM) candidates in Malaysia. Although it has been years that this scholarship programme is a joint effort by Majlis Amanah Rakyat (MARA) and Jabatan Perkhidmatan Awam, the scholarship offered is still commonly known as the JPA scholarships (Biasiswa JPA) and not MARA scholarships.Applications for Program Ijazah Luar Negara 2007 can only be done online through www.jpa.gov.my or esila.jpa.gov.my starting on March 12, 2007 (the day SPM 2006 results released). The closing date for applications is 22 March. Scholarship interview short list will be available on 30 March. The interview will be carried out on chosen stations in Malaysia from 3 to 6 April. Scholarship results for Engineering Degree Programme in Japan will be released on mid-April while others programme on mid-May, 2007.Application criteria for Tajaan JPA/ Read more:Scholarships
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MUET 2007-03-04 14:04:00 Malaysian University English Test (MUET) first batch is approaching soon again. To be more percise it will be starting on 28 April 2007.Some schools arranged their students to take the 1st batch and some the end year ones. I've heard some schools forced their students to take twice too. Personally i think taking the first batch is much safer because you get to retry if you are not satisfied with your result.MUET is not some English test you can take lightly. Those who do not take MUET might think MUET as some easy English test like the one we had in form 5. Heck , they're wrong. MUET is much tougher than that. MUET is not some exam you can just pass by , but some English test you must study for.I know readers will be wondering what i got for my MUET . I got band 5 for my MUET. Honestly , i'm quite satisfied with it having the fact my teacher do not teach us and i wrote less than 3 essays before the actual exam. Most of us will strive for at least a band 4 because there are some cour
SPM and STPM 2006 Results Out in March 2007-03-03 14:11:00 Update: STPM 2006 examination results will be released on March
15 (Thursday), 2007.There is news reporting that Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia (SPM) examination 2006 results are expected to be released on March 12, 2007.The timing of the release after the National Service (NS) second first intake (Kumpulan 1 Siri 4/2007) and before the third second (Kumpulan 2 Siri 4/2007) intake was to ensure that all SPM candidates could get their results from their schools respectively.Though the date for the release of Sijil Tinggi Persekolahan Malaysia (STPM) examination 2006 results have not been fixed, I believe it will be within two weeks after the release of SPM examination results. Last year, SPM and STPM examination 2005 results were released in the same week on the different days.I expect to see the number of straight As scorers of SPM 2006 to be fewer than SPM 2005’s 4779 (including 945 straight A1s scorers). It is due to the fact that there were 416,717 candidates that had taken SPM 2006 exa
Malaysia Students Blog Turns One 2007-02-28 14:30:00 Malaysia Students blog will be one-year-old on March 1, 2007 since it was created on March 1, 2006. I still remember the first day when I created Malaysia Students while waiting for my SPM results with the hope to build an online community among Malaysian students. I got the idea to create this blog when I could not find a blog that blogs mainly on academics like SPM and STPM examinations. Since I had had my SPM examination so I thought sharing my experience would benefit some junior students. Furthermore, I believe writing some guides on how to score A1 in certain subjects would be helpful to some SPM students.It is heartening when a few contributors caught the vision even in the first month of the creation of this blog and joined me to make this blog a team blog. Frankly, Reign226 was one of them and he was the one that had inspired me to put more efforts in building and maintaining this blog. All of his posts are very informative and well-written in good English. Another great contr Read more:Malaysia
Assessment of Co-curricular Activity Participation (Penilaian Penglibatan Aktiviti Kokurikulum) 2007-02-20 16:59:00 The post entitled Co-curricular ActivityParticipation
Explained that I wrote last year with some additional details provided by BooNBoX was very helpful to most SPM and STPM students. As time passes, the information on that post might no longer relevant and hence I figure it is time to write an up-to-date post on the same topic -- Assessment
of Co-curricular Activity Participation.It is February and the co-curricular activities in most if not all secondary schools in Malaysia have started. I believe that new committee members for 2007 have been elected to lead and to run their respective clubs and organizations. In my school, we have even finished our annual cross-country (larian desa) and sports day (hari sukan) one week before Chinese New Year. By the way, I hope that I am not too late to wish you a happy and prosperous Chinese New Year!How 10% is Calculated from Co-curriculum?You might have already known that co-curricular activity participation contributes 10 percent in the BPKP/U
Greetings! 2007-02-17 15:01:00 Hello all readerS!Happy Prosperous Chinese New Year!Yours truly,Melanie.
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Holla! 2007-02-14 18:18:00 Hello, everyone. I hereby to promote introduce myself as a new contributor of this blog. My name used throughout on the internet world is Alphonso. My real name will remain as a secret as I have a bad goodwill and reputation from my teachers and friends :PI’m from Kuala Lumpur, and I’m currently pursuing a Diploma in Business Studies (Accounting) at Tunku Abdul Rahman College (this is the only choice I could afford :-( ), as I am a money-minded guy. I finished my SPM 2 years ago from an infamous secondary school. Prior to that, I was fortunate to obtain a quite satisfactory result, but also a quite sadistic grade. I scored 9 A’s and 1 C (what a bummer). Frankly speaking, I do not know how I got a C5 for my Biology. Maybe it is due to the lack of interest and understanding of it, especially on the Reproduction chapter. However, I was very doubtful and fortunate enough to obtain an A1 for my English 1119 GCE ‘O’ Levels, But until today, I didn’t find it useful for me, except Read more:Holla
Students Fail, Teachers to be Blamed? 2007-02-09 06:00:00 I think this is a very common issue among us students. We fail and we blame the teachers.Question is, is it really the teacher's fault?From my personal view, i would say it's not entirely the teacher's fault, but 80% , the blame is on the teacher.I was in the government school for 13 years. (Primary one until upper six) and i honestly havent met more than five dedicated teachers. I don't know about you guys, or maybe i was unlucky. Most of the teachers teach because they are paid to, and couldn't be bothered to mix around with the students.I do believe there's a few types of teachers that we should put the blame on. 1st they are teachers who teach because they "just want to do their duty". They do not care whether you are paying attention or not , or whether we get good grades. All they care is "they did their duty". this are the type of teachers who basically do not even know we progressed or not. I used to have this teacher who write a whole board of notes but do not bother whe
A post Form-6 thing 2007-02-06 10:34:00 As has been noted earlier, Malaysia's six College Universities have had a namechange earlier this month, removing the College from their names. I really don't see the relevance of such an action, as the 'college' is there to serve as a reminder to students that these places are (not lousy and second class, which is what many people think) universities that are highly specialized in a particular field, such as Manufacturing in my own university.Nevertheless, the masses have spoken and the social stigma that society has placed on these institutions have resulted in the recent decision to change the names of these six institutions. But what difference does it make?Not a whole lot, mind you. After all, this is just an image make-over. In my case, all the students got treated to free food via a launching ceremony, after which classes resumed as usual. Here and there, you can see workers removing the old 'Kolej Universiti Teknikal Kebangsaan Malaysia' and replacing them with the new na
Pre-U Course I - Cambridge GCE 'A' Levels 2007-02-06 09:38:00 I guess it would be a little late to talk about Pre-U course offered in Malaysia since its already February. However, for the benefit of those readers which still wondering what to study right after getting their SPM result, this post might be a small guide to let you know more about the Pre-U course offered in most of the private University college in Malaysia.Cambridge
GCE 'A'LevelsDuration : 1.5 years (3 semesters)Origin : UKOffered in : Most of the major University college throughout the whole Malaysia. Eg. Sunway University College, Taylor's University College, Inti College, HELP University College and alot more.Academic qualification :Five (5) Credits in SPM, 'O' Level or equivalent. Conditional offers will be given to students with forecast results.The so-called sister of Malaysia's Form 6 (STPM) because of its similarity of duration and the "General Paper" subject offered in both course. Cambridge GCE 'A' Levels is the general certificate of education offered by the uni
Road Out Of The Gloom 2007-02-03 13:11:00 Dear MS-ians,In addition to Melanie’s post (STPM Blues), she has raised several issues that I think we can all have a serious thought about.The debate of Arts & Science has always been seemingly endless. This question ponders on us even more so at different stages of our education, normally after PMR, SPM and STPM. Here i shall not argue on this as it’s subjective up to a point by making comparisons between the two or debate which is better. However I find it interesting to understand the fundamental incitement behind this argument as it repeats its cycle year after year.1) The indecisive- usThere are just too many factors that could affect our decision making in this. So how could one be absolutely sure they are making the right choice?Go through a series of affirmations on your interest. Career tests are a stepping stone to this. Take up part time courses and attempt to prove that it meets your preferences.Getting the information correct is an emphasis. I find it jaw dropping whe Read more:Gloom
STPM blues 2007-02-02 17:47:00 You know, i often hear people saying this " DO NOT GO FORM 6, It's a waste of time". "FORM 6 is so easy". If it is easy , and a waste of time, do you even think the government would set such things in our education system? I'm sick of such stereo-typed people. I hope i do not offend anyone here though.Form 6 is not as easy as you think. I've had a p.h.D teacher in my school who said " form 6 is the hardest exam in your life. if you can go through it , there is no doubt you will do well in universities."If you ask me if i was prepared for the whole thing before i enter form 6, i would say i am prepared. I came from an average family and my sister is in a private university , so my parents could not afford to send me to private college.i was very clear i am going to form 6 after i finished form 5.Anyway,David Hans requested me to write about my experience when i switched to arts in form 6.. I was a science side student in form4 & 5. A science side student WHO DO NOT enjoy science. He
Aloha! 2007-01-28 17:12:00 Hey People!I just recently sign up as a contributor in Malaysian Students. My name's Melanie. My real name on my IC :)Ok, i shall start with a short introductory of myself. I'm born in Kuching and currently still staying in Kuching. And NO, i don't live on trees.Kuching is a city, and it's modern, equipt with five stars hotel. the only thing we do not have here is the gigantic hypermarkets.other than that , we have what the west have too. I have a passion for cooking , and this is my food blog.I have just completed my form 6, and currently doing a small business as my passtime. I am the youngest in the family , hailed from a four member family. I speak English most of the time , but i do not have a good written english. So, forgive me , if there's grammatical mistakes here. Honestly having a good spoken english is not something i am proud of. It took me a hard time when i switched to arts side in form 6 to get along with those chinese spoken. I got no friends for almost a month be Read more:Aloha
STPM FAQ II 2007-01-22 09:01:00 Hi everyone!! Nice to meet you all again so soon!! And dudes!! Let's welcome the latest contributor to this blog, Carrie!! She has a kinda 'different' path taken for her secondary studies compared to most of us. So better ask her if you felt like want to "break out" ... lol... ok.. so let's continue with my main points.In "Letter of Confusion", I've described some of the typical stuff in STPM and below are some add-ons in FAQ style to describe more...Below is the reply from Shakecrow and the wordings in BLUE COLOR is my answer.Thank you very much to Boon Ming for all the informations he has given out. I don't really know which is your e-mail address (you seem to have a few...). boonming tinkosong com . Anyway, I still have questions to ask about. Here are my questions:Q1: How long do I need to wait in order to switch streams? This really depends on the school you are going to be admitted. Different schools have their own system. Basically most of the school need to check the vaca
Contributor 05 Carrs Lim: Greetings MS-ians!! 2007-01-17 20:44:00 Hello MS readers!I am your latest addition as a contributor to your site, nice to meet all!I actually stumbled upon MS a few days ago whilst looking for a scholarship in Malaysia, and i was very impressed how well maintained the site is since finding it genuinely revolving around student issues- I need to be part of this game! I am Carrie Lim, an architectural student studying in London. My education background in Malaysia is rather a humdrum just like any of you have gone through. Primary schools were all in Malacca- Yok Bin Primary, Cheng Primary & Pay Chee Primary (Mind you, was not kicked out- a good student always =p; high school was in Chung Hua Seremban (express class 3 years) and final year in Sri Cempaka Kuala Lumpur (under scholarship); Cambridge A Levels Programme at Taylor’s College Subang and later I did Diploma in Architectural Technology also with Taylor’s, twinning with Melbourne University. I felt the need to mention the above because it just shows that we have bee Read more:Greetings
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Letter of Confusion 2007-01-17 17:24:00 Skarekrow has left an email to me while I was 'idioting' around with me Physics tutorials, I tried to replied but couldn't reach to his mailbox. So why don't I post it out so that all of you can benefit from it and at the same time I can hope that he can read my reply... :-)From Skarekrow,I've just completed my SPM in 2006. While waiting for the results which will be out this March 2007, I've been wondering whether I should opt for a college foundation programme or maybe A Level. Or maybe I should go to Form Six. And if I really go to Form Six, should I switch to Arts stream (since I'm in Science stream during Form Four and Five) because many people have told me that Science stream in Form Six is not easy... I would like to switch stream but will it consume a lot of time and will it affect my studies especially the beginning of Lower Six when the most important thing I have grasp is the basics? Thank you very much... =)So below are my long-winded reply... hehe...Hi Skarekrow,Ok Read more:Letter
STPM - 18 months of sweet and sour ... 2007-01-14 12:01:00 Hi everyone. It's been some time since my last post and now I will give you some info about my personal experience on STPM (after being reminded gently by our blog master.. lol) So you think STPM is hard ?? ...You're probably correct. It is hard of course. So do A-levels, SAT and other exam in the world. No exam in this world is particularly easy, unless the future for the exam is not that good, you know what I mean. If you work harder, I can assure you to get good results. It is not impossible to score.Below are some FAQ I might get from you all and you're welcome to ask more question about STPM, A-levels, SAT and some other pre-U exams. I will attend to you as soon as I notice your question!1. Why did you choose to study Form 6 instead of A Level, Australian Matriculation etc?Wasting time is the main reason people feel about going to Form 6. Yes I do agree if you are rich and can't wait to spend it on your overseas tertiary programme. And yes again I would say because Form 6 real
Bank Cash Awards - Getting Paid for Studying Hard 2007-01-10 08:02:00 Did the title catch your attention? Do you need a new motivation to study hard? Believe it or not, I did get paid for studying hard! Now I am going to tell you how to do so in this post with the hope that the cash awards offered by a few banks would motivate you to study harder and get better results.Some of you might have known that there are a few banks in Malaysia depositing money to the account holders who score well in major examinations, namely Ujian Penilaian Sekolah Rendah (UPSR), Penilaian Menengah Rendah (PMR), Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia (SPM) and Sijil Tinggi Persekolahan Malaysia (STPM). These banks give “free money” in order to attract new teenage customers. You lose nothing other than a few hours and RM10.00 for opening a new account in these banks. Please bear in mind that the minimum initial deposit for new accounts for most of the banks is RM250.00. Meanwhile, you will receive free money in terms of a few hundred ringgits if you score well in the major examinations.I Read more:Awards
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Australian University World Ranking 2007-01-03 16:04:00 This is an extract from The Times Higher Education Supplement showing Australian
's University
ranking in the world.19 University of Melbourne23 Australian National University34 Monash University38 University of Sydney40 University of New South Wales40 University of Queensland67 Macquarie University80 University of Adelaide80 University of Western Australia82 RMIT87 University of Technology, Sydney98 La Trobe University101 Curtin University of Technology
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School Calendar 2007 2007-01-01 16:38:00 Happy New Year! New Year signifies new hopes and new challenges. Have you planned your personal timetable for this year? Have you set your own goals to be achieved this year? If not, you are encouraged to do so.SPM and STPM 2007 candidates should plan your revision timetable carefully. Lots of chapters to be covered in our schools this year and hence I believe our school teachers would not teach those past topics again. We have to revise all topics ourselves and be prepared for the major examinations!Usually, students are busily finding tuition classes at the beginning of every year. However, I would strongly advise you to examine your own strength and weakness before deciding whether to enrol in tuition classes for certain subjects. I do not quite agree with the point of view that tuition is necessary; instead I think it acts as the supplement to the school classes. Just for your information, there are top students that do not go for any tuition classes. One of the SPM 2005 top scorer Read more:School
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Six New Local Public Universities in 2007 2006-12-31 09:41:00 The story started when six of the local university colleges requested the dropping of the word ‘college’ in their names as they felt their current description had an inferior connotation. Then, they were being asked to upgrade their status. In April 2006, Higher Education Minister, Datuk Mustapa Mohamed had said that he was looking into their request. Finally, our government has agreed to rename 'university college (kolej universiti)' to 'university (universiti)' back in October 2006. The Star Online reported that January 1, 2007 will be the official date for the name-change for six university colleges:Kolej Universiti Kejuruteraan Utara Malaysia (KUKUM) to Universiti Malaysia PerlisKolej Universiti Sains dan Teknologi Malaysia (KUSTEM) to Universiti Malaysia TerengganuKolej Universiti Kejuruteraan dan Teknologi Malaysia (KUKTEM) to Universiti Malaysia PahangKolej Universiti Teknikal Kebangsaan Malaysia (KUTKM) to Universiti Teknikal Malaysia MalaccaKolej Universiti Islam Malay Read more:Local
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SPM – 12 Subjects Maximum 2006-12-14 10:36:00 Malaysian Examination Syndicate (MES or Majlis Peperiksaan Malaysia) has proposed that SPM candidates can take a maximum of 12 subjects as there are many Form Four students indicating to sign up for more than the required seven subjects next year. These students believe that they waste no money even if they do not sit for the additional subjects during the actual SPM examination since the national examination fees will be abolished from 2007 onwards.The Star Online reported:A source said that some students had told their teachers that taking more subjects at no additional cost meant they could sit for them without preparing and hope to score if they were lucky.“Some say they can also skip the papers as nothing will be wasted. They have everything to gain as they just might do well. This is the wrong spirit but we can’t stop them as it is their choice,” a teacher said.As I read this, I am shocked by this kind of mentality. Do they lose nothing if they take more than usual number o Read more:Subjects
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Hostel Life (Pt 1) 2007-03-18 17:26:00 With the STPM results recently announced, I figured that many students are starting to get excited by the prospect of entering university life soon. And for a lot of us who have never ventured outside of our comfort zones, studying in a different place (state, country, your cup, your coffee) is probably something that's quite exciting and also at the same time, quite scary. Well, my second semester is almost over at UTeM, and I would like to share with you about hostel life here. When I first got here, it was quite literally a foreign place to me. All the roads are new, the shops foreign, even the people has a certain not-quite-from-home vibe. Also, I had no transport (except size 10 shoes) and not much friends. To compound the problem, our hostel is located a good distance away from our campus, a fact that would haunt a lot of us for the following few weeks. I had the fortunate luck of living with 17 other people here. Being a public university, you expect a certain level of crampn Read more:Hostel
Going overseas... 2007-03-19 18:33:00 The verdicts are out and some of you might be already started to pack up to go overseas
for your studies. I'm sure these would be useful for all of you that is going overseas for your studies soon.What to do ?- Be mentally & physically preparedAll of us will undergoes a process called 'Culture Shock'. Depends on your own progress, some may need a few months getting used to it. Culture shock, describes the anxiety and feelings (of surprise, disorientation, confusion, etc.) felt when people have to operate within an entirely different culture or social environment, such as a different country. (from Wikipedia) The further you are going the bigger of culture shock you are having. Relax... It's not a disease ;) and you will be fine after a period of time.Other than that, you will need to know the physical condition in that country. If it's cold, bring more clothes, etc. I believe you are too big for me to remind you about these... lol.- Know more about the Country's Culture / Know mo Read more:Going
Hi! 2007-03-21 03:42:00 I am elie, a typical 17 years old girl who reads magazines and loves shopping, and I am the new contributor for this blog. I got to know this blog through my best friend and I thought I would love to be part of the team too!I come from a not so well-known place called OUG, nearby Old Klang Road, and I am the youngest among three siblings. I love reading novels, especially *ahem* romance novels, and I enjoy blogging as well. As for my SPM results, I scored 9As and a B. Of all the 10 subjects, I got a 3B for Moral Studies which was a huge letdown.For now, I’ve registered at HELP UC for their UOL GCE A-Level program. The orientation day is on this Friday and those interested can come and register on that day too! I have never experienced college life before and I hope to post informative entries on life in college and about the A-Level program.Forgive me if I do have spelling or grammatical errors because I don’t double check my articles. Lastly, I hope that my future posts will help
Of local and overseas qualifications 2007-04-04 15:11:00 Aha… A case that attracted me, and which also encourages me to blog about this.Let’s start about our local tax first. An individual will be entitled to a RM4,000 tax relief if he/she has a child who is above 18, unmarried and studying in local institution, diploma and above, OR, he/she has a child who is above 18, unmarried and studying in overseas
institution, degree and above.See the difference? For your parents who want to obtain a RM4,000 tax relief, you have to be studying in a local institution, minimum diploma level. But for your parents who want to obtain a RM4,000 tax relief, you have to be studying in an oversea institution, minimum a degree level. Why?“Aiyahh… Malaysia is like that one lah…”There’s a case which happened recently. It was published in the GuangMing Daily's headline, and also some Chinese presses, but not even a short note in the English and Malay presses.Apparently, the case is like this:A boy from Raub, he has an ambition since he was a small k
GCE A-level in Malaysia 2007-04-09 14:41:00 Students today are spoilt for choices after completing their Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia
(SPM) as there are many institutions offering post-SPM courses, such as GCE A-level
, South Australian Matriculation (SAM), and American Degree Programs (ADP), to name a few. Currently in Malaysia, there are two boards offering GCE A-level, mainly the Cambridge board, and the London board. For those who are unfamiliar with GCE A-Level, A-level is like Form 6 in the United Kingdom but it is currently taken in many Commonwealth countries due to its world wide recognition. (Wikipedia)The Cambridge board A-level is available in private institutions such as Taylor’s, INTI, Nilai and KDU while the London board A-level is available in HELP and UCSI. These two boards offer similar, but not identical syllabuses and their examinations method differ from one another. The Cambridge A-level examinations are conducted in two phrases, Advanced Subsidiary (AS) and Advanced Two (A2) respectively. For example, for Mat
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