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Captured IDF soldiers found? 2006-12-07 20:21:00 Wish I could've posted this earlier, but I was on a trip up north today. Don't forget Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser, and I thank Michelle Malkin for remembering them: JERUSALEM - In their first comment about the fate of two soldiers whose capture triggered a monthlong war between Israel and Hezbollah guerrillas last summer, Israeli officials said Wednesday the two were seriously wounded — raising the prospect they may no longer be alive.
The Israeli military censor allowed publication of the existence of the report on Wednesday, and local media broadcast sketchy details. Military officials told The Associated Press the report determined that one of the soldiers was critically wounded and the other seriously wounded when they were captured, without giving further details. They spoke on condition of anonymity under military rules.
"If they did not receive immediate medical treatment, there is grave concern for their lives," Israel TV military correspondent Yoav Limor said on the ni
Now the pope disappoints 2006-12-06 18:43:00 Mainly because he just had to go to Turkey, and in doing so, it's sad to see that he basically capitulated to them by not opposing their demands to enter the EU. Douglas Murray (via Melanie Phillips) writes about what appears to be a volte-face by pope Benedict: How is it possible that he changed so much, asked a young Islamist girl called Merve Celikkol, who concluded to the New York Times reporters on the ground that the Pope is "a hypocrite'. The answer to the charming Merve's question is clear. He has changed because he has been forced to pacify the Islamic beast, and because support for Turkish entry is clearly in the Pope's calculation the least he can offer.
As the numerous mea culpas given out by the Vatican after the summer's events made clear the Papacy does not want to antagonise Islam. And with good reason. The result of quoting a medieval source in a lecture at a German university was the murder of a nun in Africa, the torching of churches in the Holy Land and t
Mayor Bloomberg comes to Bolton's defense 2006-12-06 18:03:00 John Bolton
may be leaving his position as UN ambassador, thanks to the Senators who wouldn't approve a full time nomination for him, but is luckily finding defense from NYC mayor Bloomberg
, doing something good now: John Bolton may be on his way out as ambassador to the United Nations, but he may yet live on as an issue in the 2008 presidential campaign.
Mayor
Bloomberg yesterday came to John Bolton's defense, calling the movement to block the U.N. ambassador's Senate confirmation a "cheap political stunt on the part of a handful of people."
Mr. Bloomberg called the holdup of Mr. Bolton's nomination, which led the envoy to resign Monday, a "disgrace" and "an outrage," and said "countries like America and Israel will suffer because they won't have John Bolton there."
"John Bolton was a guy that was standing up and trying to change the United Nations in a ways that would make it a lot more responsible," Mr. Bloomberg told reporters before touring the city's new emergency-operation Read more:comes
Wal-Mart is evil. Period 2006-12-06 06:26:00 They are selling Totenkopf t-shirts, whose design is similar to the 3rd SS insignia. That's right, they are selling neo-nazi t-shirts. Debbie Schlussel wrote about it earlier, but while she did get a response about it from officials running the place (she unfortunately got a response from a neo-nazi as well), it appears that they're still selling those abominations.
I will not set foot in any outlet of Wal-Mart's if I take a vacation trip to America, and that's that. Some people may not have found out yet, but they have even worse a record than you think: hiring illegal immigrants, Andrew Young, Harriet Hentges, among other assorted left-wing fiends. To any conservatives who don't know about this yet, wake up and smell the coffee! Read more:Period
Russia may have largest Muslim population in Europe 2006-12-04 20:32:00 I've got a bad feeling that Russia
's newly established dictator, Vladimir Putin, may actually enjoy this news of Russia's growing Muslim
population (via Hot Air). Most noteworthy part here is:Since 1989, Russia's Muslim population has increased by 40 per cent to about 25 million. By 2015, Muslims could make up a majority of Russia's conscript army and they could account for one-fifth of the country's population by 2020.Dear dear dear. While there does seem to be backlash against Islam in Russia (and I would recommend buying the book called The Mosque of Notre Dame de Paris, which sounds like something to think about), that doesn't mean it'll last for long, if Putin decides this is what he wants for his coming dictatorship over the years, unless he can be deposed of, as is to be hoped. Read more:Europe
Michigan State U. is as bad as Columbia U. 2006-12-03 17:29:00 As if it weren't bad enough that moonbat students disrupted the Minutemen at Columbia
university in New York, now we have moonbats at MichiganState
university doing the same, this time against Colorado Senator Tom Tancredo (via Michelle Malkin and Slapstick Politics):A campus discussion about illegal immigration turned violent Thursday evening, when protesters clashed with the MSU College Republicans and Young Americans for Freedom, who sponsored the event.Kyle Bristow, chairman of the Young Americans for Freedom, or YAF, said he was kicked and spat upon by some of the protesters when he was outside the MSU College of Law, where the discussion was being held."It saddens me that my fellow Spartans would display this type of behavior," he said. "They are racist. It's sad we need police to come to control these radical leftists."Unable to identify the people who assaulted him, Bristow said he wasn't planning to file a police report.MSU police were dispatched to the event after an empl
What the MSM swept under the Muslim prayer rugs at Minneapolis 2006-12-03 06:23:00 The case of the flying imams in Minneapolis
gets even more disturbing. Pajamas Media has a whole report (and here's official police report in PDF with handwritten statements by witnesses) that tells a lot more things that were either left out of official media reports, or even distorted (Hat tip: Michelle Malkin):The case of U.S. Airways flight 300 gets stranger by the minute. When six traveling Muslim
clerics were asked to deplane last week, it looked like another civil rights controversy against post-9-11 airport security.Now new information is emerging that suggests it was all a stunt designed to weaken security….Yesterday I spoke with a passenger on that flight, who asked that she be only identified as "Pauline" A copy of airport police report, which I also obtained, supports Pauline's account - and includes shocking revelations of its own. In addition, U.S. Airways spokeswoman Andrea Rader also confirmed much of what Pauline revealed…..The passenger, who asked that she
US forces capture a lot of Ansar al Sunnah terrorists 2006-12-02 19:30:00 The Multi-National Force and Iraq Combined Press Info Center (Hat tip: Captain's Journal) has reported that some top terrorist brass was capture
d:"In one week's time, Coalition Forces captured 11 suspected senior-level terrorists of Ansar al Sunna during a series of raids in north-central Iraq during mid-November. During the raids, Coalition Forces captured the terrorist emirs of Iraq, Ramadi, Baqubah, Tikrit, al Qa'im, Bayji and Baghdad. They also captured two terrorist facilitators, a courier, an explosives expert and a financier. The detention of these terrorists delivers a serious blow to the AAS network that is responsible for improvised explosive device attacks and suicide attacks and on Iraqi government, Coalition Forces and Iraqi civilians. The AAS network is also responsible for multiple kidnappings, small arms attacks and other crimes in the central and northern part of Iraq. AAS is considered by some to be a leading terror organization in Iraq … Although some AAS se
Something needs to be done about publicity seekers 2006-12-01 12:23:00 A moonbat tried to get former IDF chief Moshe Yaalon arrested in New Zealand:
(IsraelNN.com) Former IDF chief of staff, Moshe Ya'alon has departed from New Zealand, where he was on a private visit. An warrant for his arrest charging alleged war crimes was issued against him on Monday, for his part in IDF operations in PA (Palestinian Authority) controlled Gaza.
Ya'alon told Army Radio on Friday morning that he was not afraid of the warrant, adding he is pleased that the Government of New Zealand canceled the warrant and did not permit publicityseekers
to use the law to benefit their motive.They did the right thing. Nevertheless, these terrorist worshipers need to be tried themselves for harrassing innocent army officials who're trying to defend innocent communities against violent terrorists. Should a countersuit be filed against them in that case?
Deb Frisch due for the slammer 2006-12-07 23:26:00 I'm glad that this is fiend is now about to be sent where she's long overdue, that being in a mental institution. Frisch had first been arrested in August, but since then has defied restraining orders and even missed a court date, so now, an arrest warrent's been issued. TalkLeft went to her trial to see what developments have come (H/T: Michelle Malkin, Gateway Pundit and Blue Crab Boulevard): Dr. Frisch has removed her website, but many of her posts and comments can still be found on Technorati and Google.
After the Frisch-Goldstein drama, Frisch was charged in Oregon with stalking and telephone harassment in a matter unrelated to Goldstein.
Meanwhile, Goldstein obtained a restraining order against Frisch in Denver. Alleging she violated the order, he then obtained a contempt citation against her. When she didn't appear last week to show cause why she shouldn't be held in contempt of court, the matter was continued until today.
At the court hearing in Denver this morning, Frisch Read more:slammer
Natan Sharansky to recieve Presidential Medal of Freedom 2006-12-08 12:49:00 One Jerusalem's current newsletter proudly announces that its founder, Natan Sharansky
, has been selected to recieve the PresidentialMedal
of Freedom
:One Jerusalem is proud to announce that its Chairman, Natan Sharansky has been selected to receive one of the United States' most prestigious awards -- the Presidential Medal of Freedom.Sharansky will join a list of past recipients that includes Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman, Nobel Laureate Elie Wiesel, Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., Ambassador Jean Kirkpatrick, Prime Minister Tony Blair. President Vaclav Havel, Lady Margaret Thatcher, President Ronald Reagan, Mr. Whittaker Chambers, Rev. Billy Graham, Mother Teresa, and William F. Buckley Jr.The award is presented to people who have made "an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors."As a dissident standing up to the tyranny of Communism, Natan Sharansky served
A street named for a cop murderer: OBSCENE 2006-12-09 18:33:00 It is simply disgusting that some French leftists want to appease Muslims in St. Denis by naming a street after Mumia abu Jamal, who murdered Philadelphia police officer Daniel Faulkner 25 years ago. This first happened in May. It wouldn't surprise me if even Jaques Chirac, a neo-Vichyite himself, approved of this latest effort to stain and demonize his country.Fortunately, the House has now passed a resolution denouncing the act (via Michelle Malkin):WASHINGTON -- The House passed a resolution Wednesday denouncing a French city for naming a street in honor of Mumia Abu-Jamal, who was sentenced to death for shooting a Philadelphia police officer 25 years ago this month."We must stand together as one and send a strong message to the world that cop-killers deserve to be punished, not to be celebrated," said Rep. Mike Fitzpatrick, a Philadelphia-area congressman who authored the resolution.The vote came a few days shy of the 25th anniversary of the shooting of Daniel Faulkner, a 25-year- Read more:named
Jeanne Kirkpatrick, RIP 2006-12-09 23:51:00 The former UN ambassador who spoke against the blame-America mentality constant at the UN has passed away (H/T: Michelle Malkin and The Corner).Kirkpatrick had also warned in her time that creating a palestinian state would be catastrophic (via IRIS Blog):It would be a step backward in America's fight against international terrorism…When we accept a terrorist state as legitimate, we strengthen terrorist groups," she said. Dr. Kirkpatrick said that while the Oslo accords were supposed to bring Israel peace and safety, "the situation is more dangerous for Israel now than it's ever been." She emphasized that "The destruction of Israel and expulsion of the Jews has been the goal of the PLO since its beginning in 1964 and continues to this day."This is another very important reminder why funding for the PLO must be cut off and they must be returned to the list of most dangerous terrorists.Others on the subject include Soccerdad, It Shines for All, Blogs of War, A Blog for All, Babalu Read more:Jeanne
FBI thwarts terror attack planned in Chicago 2006-12-10 07:20:00 And it seems that the jihadist who was arrested planned the attack
using hand grenades that he could detonate in garbage cans. From CBS2 Chicago
(via Hot Air):
(CBS) CHICAGO A 22-year-old Rockford man with an ambition to become a terrorist has been arrested by federal authorities on allegations that he planned to set off grenades in garbage cans in a mall in Rockford.
Derrick Shareef, of Rockford, was arrested on Wednesday by FBI
agents from the Chicago Joint Terrorism Task Force, the U.S. Attorney's office said.
He was arraigned on the charges early Friday afternoon before U.S. Magistrate Judge Maria Valdez.
Shareef was apprehended after meeting with an undercover agent in a Rockford store parking lot to trade a set of stereo speaksers for four hand grenades and a handgun, the U.S. Attorney's office said.Read the rest. It's clear that the threat of terrorist attacks in the US is still quite real. The suspect is a convert to Islam and was influenced by jihadist websites, and it appe
Stupid comment by a selfish bozo 2006-12-10 07:04:00 Some jerk whose screen is "Eudaimo", who once tried arguing and then turned to trolling, left this comment on my Comic Dossiers blog:
I doubt this will be responded to, but why does this blog exist? It's so obviously some sort of trick that multiple people (myself included) have pointed out that it must be a joke (no response has been made).
Weirder is the fact that it continues at all. It's not a particularly popular site in the comics blogosphere...it's actually relatively ignored.
What end does this seeming social experiment pursue?I've since redacted the comment from the blog itself, as any asinine statements will obliterated almost instantly. Of course no response will be made. There is no need to. Anyone who acts as if they have the right to trespass like that on my premises gets their comments deleted without further notice.
And to answer the jihaditroll's claim that it's not a particularly popular site in the comics blogosphere - I should worry? I never expected it to gar Read more:Stupid
, selfish
Natan Sharansky to receive Presidential Medal of Freedom 2006-12-08 12:49:00 One Jerusalem's current newsletter proudly announces that its founder, Natan Sharansky
, has been selected to recieve the PresidentialMedal
of Freedom
:One Jerusalem is proud to announce that its Chairman, Natan Sharansky has been selected to receive one of the United States' most prestigious awards -- the Presidential Medal of Freedom.Sharansky will join a list of past recipients that includes Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman, Nobel Laureate Elie Wiesel, Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., Ambassador Jean Kirkpatrick, Prime Minister Tony Blair. President Vaclav Havel, Lady Margaret Thatcher, President Ronald Reagan, Mr. Whittaker Chambers, Rev. Billy Graham, Mother Teresa, and William F. Buckley Jr.The award is presented to people who have made "an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors."As a dissident standing up to the tyranny of Communism, Natan Sharansky served
Something that France needs to do too 2006-12-11 07:18:00 Because they're the ones who invented the bikini in the post-WW2 years, as a symbol of liberation from the oppression of tyranny. Woman in Australia took to the streets in a bikini march to protest the imam thugs who called unveiled women "uncovered meat" (Hat tip: Michelle Malkin and Ace of Spades HQ). The organizer is the Melbourne grandmother Christine Hawkins, and here's an interview with her from ABC-TV from down under. She says:
CHRISTINE HAWKINS: We're actually going to be calling on the Government to bring in new citizenship legislation, so that extremists can be weeded out either coming into the country, or if they're here, get rid of them.
We don't need this in our country, we've got a beautiful country, people come from all over the world to settle in Australia because they want freedom.Having visited France
at least three times myself, I think the same applies for them as well, which is why a demand should be made for new legislation be made to ensure that the Islamis
Australia takes its own path 2006-12-11 22:36:00 And wisely so. Last week, Labor leader Kevin Rudd and prime minister John Howard had an exchange in which Howard made it clear why Australia
needs to take its own path politically (Hat tip: Tim Blair):Mr HOWARD: When I make decisions on climate change and the Kyoto protocol, I do not speak for a particular political philosophy; I speak for my country. And it is in my country's interests not to go down the European path. What the Leader of the Opposition has done with that question is reveal the Labor Party's thinking on this issue. It is European-based thinking, because he quoted countries whose economies are fundamentally different to Australia's economy. If I applied a British solution to an Australian problem in relation to climate change, I would be doing great injury to my country. I have absolutely no intention of doing that.Good thinking. That's something that Canada needs to make clear too, that the British way is not a healthy path for them to take, certainly not politi
Olmert's big mouth 2006-12-13 20:32:00 Ehud Olmert
continues to show everybody just how stupid and incompetant he is. Whether or not Israel has nuclear weapons, what he blurted out could be as harmful to Israel as the New York Times' tippings to terrorists could be to America. Here's more from the Jerusalem Post on this latest blunder of his (via Yid with Lid). He's already taken flak from local politicians as well, and rightfully so.
He needs to be replaced, and soon. Read more:mouth
US Airways should say no to pressure from flying imams 2006-12-13 19:26:00 The imams
who intimidated passengers at Minneapolis' airport have been trying - get this - to reach an out of court settlement with US Airways
over their removal, which was doubtless what they were hoping for so they could then play victim. Debbie Schlussel has some contact info for the company, and I too would strongly recommend calling to tell them not to give in to those villains. It was all a setup, intended to try and lead to weakening airline security, and it's imams themselves who owe some money in fines to the airport for disturbing the peace. Another contact link can be found here.
The Wash. Times reports:
A group of Muslim imams is seeking an out-of-court settlement with US Airways, saying they should not have been removed from a Minnesota-to-Phoenix flight last month and were not behaving suspiciously.
Five of the six Islamic religious leaders have retained the Council on American-Islamic Relations for legal representation and are seeking a "mutually agreeable" resolution
Is Castro dead yet? 2006-12-13 19:02:00 Babalu Blog (via Michelle Malkin) is hearing rumors to that effect. Pajamas Media says that Spanish language radio is reporting that he's dead, but there's still no clear way of telling.
See this article from the Miami Herald, which talks about recent pictures taken of the creepy Cuban dictator. Read more:Castro
Yes, Syria is dangerous 2006-12-14 22:10:00
Debka reports that Syria
is expanding its missile manufacturing:
DEBKAfile's military sources quote two statements by Israeli generals Sunday, Dec. 10 to the Israeli cabinet: OC Northern Command Maj.-Gen Gadi Eisenkott denounced as irresponsible talk of a war with Syria and Hizballah in the summer of 2007.
Brig. Gen Yossi Baidatz, military intelligence chief of research, reported that Syria had increased its production of long-range missiles (picture) and was building up its anti-tank rocket units on the Golan border with Israel.
This information is not proof in itself of a Syrian intent to go to war. Gen. Eisenkott says he sees no tangible war preparations on the Golan and Hermon despite the aggressive rhetoric coming out of Damascus, whereas it is Brig Baidatz's job to count the missiles coming off Syrian production lines in the northern city of Homs. The volume in Nov. 2006 was 20% greater than the output of Nov. 2005.
The key question neither Israeli officer answers is this: H Read more:dangerous
Bolton calls to bring Ahmedinejad to justice 2006-12-15 07:23:00 One Jerusalem's got four videos of speeches hosted by the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations and the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, which ambassador John Bolton
attended as well. And Bolton too was among those who called to bring Iranian dictator Ahmedinejad to justice. Go view all the videos they've got available. Read more:calls
Don't count on Tony Blair really meaning what he says 2006-12-15 13:06:00 Tony Blair
may have renounced multiculturalism earlier this week, but the problem is that that's about all he's really done so far. Robert Spencer talks about it now on Hot Air.
Frankly, I'm not waiting up, seeing how, as Dawn reports, British schools are now receiving guides to Islam containing all those religious items that Islamists use (Hat tip: Dhimmi Watch).
LONDON, Dec.9: A guide to Islam is being given to primary schools across Britain containing a headscarf, a prayer mat, a prayer cap, sacred Ihram clothing worn during the pilgrimage to Makkah, a poster of the Muslim prophets and a compass to locate the direction of Makkah.
According to Daily Express the teaching resource, provided by the Muslim Council of Britain, is intended to provide children aged seven and 11 with information about true Islamic beliefs.
The pack, described on Friday by one head teacher as a "three-foot by three-foot plastic box", also contains CDs, videos, children's books and pamphlets and model kits Read more:count
, Tony Blair
Just look at what smut the school libraries are stocking today 2006-12-16 17:39:00 Leading reason why not to send your children to a government school (Hat tip: Michelle Malkin and Moonbattery):
Sixth-graders at a Queens school were getting quite an education - in homosexuality, French kissing and cursing - thanks to three books widely available in classroom libraries.
But after numerous complaints from parents at Public School 150 in Sunnyside, the books - a profanity-laced poetry book, short stories about homosexuality and a novel called "First French Kiss" - were pulled from the shelves last week.
Several parents learned of the racy books after overhearing their kids snickering about the sexual themes.
The poem "I Hate School" in a book called "You Hear Me?" includes the rhyme, "F--- this s---, up the a--. I don't think I'll ever pass."
Another poem compares eating an orange to having sex, while several passages repeatedly use vulgar slang for genitalia. And the book "Am I Blue?" is an anthology of stories about gay teenagers that parents found too adult-them
Nidra Poller tackles Ralph Peters 2006-12-17 08:28:00 Nidra Poller, an American journalist living in France, has a good response to RalphPeters
' bewildering and insulting act of Europhobia on Dhimmi Watch. I spoke about Peters' ghastly article earlier, and Poller certainly scores a victory over his lumpy little column.
PLO and Hamas trade gunfire back and forth, to and fro 2006-12-17 17:52:00 It should be clear that a civil war is indeed breaking out between the PLO and Hamas
. For starters, a Hamas minister's convoy was attacked:
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Gunmen attacked the convoy of the Palestinian foreign minister and raided a training base for an elite security forces unit Sunday, stepping up factional violence over a decision by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to end nine months of Hamas leadership and call early elections.
A 19-year-old woman and a Palestinian security officer were killed in the chaos, while at least 13 people were wounded in gun battles across Gaza City. In one symbolic attack, Abbas' empty residence came under fire. Militants also fired two mortar shells at Abbas' nearby offices.And then, mortar shells were fired at Mahmoud Abbas' office:
GAZA (Reuters) - Gunmen fired two mortar bombs at Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's office in Gaza on Sunday, wounding at least five members of his personal guard as tensions with the ruling Hamas moveme Read more:gunfire
Ban Ki-Moon: an improvement at the UN? 2006-12-17 21:04:00 It could be that, while I still think the UN is a dinosaur that should be dissolved, there's still some improvement turning up in the person of Ban Ki-Moon, the new secretary-general. If there's something positive he's done so far, it's that he spoke out against Iran's holocaust denial horrors (H/T: Daled Amos):
Incoming United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon told Iran on Thursday it was unacceptable to deny that the Holocaust took place or to call for Israel to be wiped off the map.
Ban was responding to a question asked at a news conference about Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who since coming to power in August last year has caused an outcry by terming the Holocaust a "myth" and calling Israel a "tumor" in the Middle East.
[...]
"Denying historical facts especially on such an important subject as the Holocaust is just not acceptable," Ban said.
"Nor is it acceptable to call for the elimination of states or people," Ban said. "I would like to see this fundamental p
DoS attack on Watching America and other websites 2006-12-18 06:57:00 I got an e-mail from the webmasters of WatchingAmerica
informing that the website has been under a DoS attack
:
Dear Fellow Bloggers and Aggregators,
Please excuse this mass mailing.
This is a polite note to let you know that the servers of www.WatchingAmerica.com's hosting company are under attack but we are still around and will be back up as soon as possible. We'd be most grateful if you could let your readers know, as we know some of your readers are also some of our readers, and we don't want them to abandon us - or to think we have abandoned them!
In fact, many hosting companies servers are currently under a denial-of-service attack. This means that someone, somewhere, is overloading the servers with masses of information, slowing them right down, or causing them to grind to a halt. It is affecting numerous sites.
We've been down for two and a half days, but hundreds of technicians all over the US are trying to find its source and get us all back on our feet.
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Just what we didn't need 2006-12-18 21:50:00 Oh, wonderful. It seems that something's been taken out of context in Seattle, when a rabbi only asked if Hanuka menorahs could be added alongside Christmas trees at the Sea-Tac airport; he did not ask that the trees be removed. As this editorial by Robert Jacobs in the Seattle Times says:Many residents of this community would like to put the Sea-Tac Airport Christmas-tree episode behind us. Unfortunately, for the Jewish community, a bad taste lingers. It is disconcerting — even a bit frightening — to see how much anti-Semitism lurked just below the surface in our community. Consider how quickly it came bubbling up, even though the Jewish community never asked for the Christmas trees to be removed from the airport. [...]How could people believe that a rabbi would find Christmas trees offensive when he asked to have a menorah placed with the trees? What was it about a request for a menorah to be displayed that led to such hate?Following this, it seems that quite a few moonbats have
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