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Practice Beastiality, God Wants You To! 2007-10-21 13:54:08 Well, it’s either that or he was just plain stupid. Remember the story of creation? Of course you do! I bet you don’t quite remember this part though. Please open your Bibles to Genesis, Chapter 2 and starting with the 18th verse:
18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. 20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. 21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
So, God knew th Read more:Practice
Knowledge, Get Some 2007-10-19 20:50:54 It amazes me how little most (I said MOST, Aaron, not all) Christians know about the history of their belief system. Few know how tumultuous and blood-thirsty it was (and is, in some cases) and how it came to be the “powerhouse” that it is today. The rest of this post is in response to a comment received on this post.
First of all, The Gospel of Judas is not part of the Bible and should not be considered as fact.
You are absolutely correct. However, you may want to ask yourself why they are not part of the Bible. A brief look into the history of the “Holy” scripture reveals the truth of the matter. It was Constantine, a pagan Roman ruler (perhaps you have heard of him), who offered money to church leaders of the time to come up with a canon that they could agree on. Thus, the Council of Nicaea took place in 325 and they began to choose (or “vote”) the texts that were to be admitted into the canon. The canon was not considered “closed” unt Read more:Knowledge
Busload of Faith 2007-10-19 19:26:54 You can’t depend on your family
You can’t depend on your friends
You can’t depend on a beginning
You can’t depend on an end
You can’t depend on intelligence
Ooohhh, you can’t depend on god
You can only depend on one thing
You need a busload of faith to get by, watch, baby
Busload of faith to get by
Busload of faith to get by
Busload of faith to get by
You need a busload of faith to get by
You can depend on the worst always happening
You can depend on a murderer’s drive
You can bet that if he rapes somebody
There’ll be no trouble having a child
You can bet that if she aborts it
Pro-lifers will attack her with rage
You can depend on the worst always happening
You need a busload of faith to get by, yeah
Busload of faith to get by
Busload of faith to get by
Busload of faith to get by, baby
Busload of faith to get by
You can’t depend on the goodly hearted
The goodly hearted made lamp-shades and soap
You can’t depend on the sacrament
No father, no holy ghost
You can Read more:Faith
Submission From a Christian Viewer 2007-10-18 21:45:28 The following is an unedited submission from a Christian
viewer. I encourage your comments as she will be looking to respond to them. I will have my own response tomorrow, as it is getting late.
Mere Christianity and Atheism and Agnosticism
I duly note all the rage that goes hand in hand with the concept of a belief system which exists in two dimensions, under the same name. Christianity as a religion and Christianity in purer individualistic forms of love, kindness, empathy, generosity, compassion.
It is absolutely a reality that man-unkind will continue to disappoint. No doubt. Mankind is a dysfunctional family unit. I am. You are.
Are you happy? NO? Neither am I. Sometimes, yes.
I was recently booted out of yet another church with accompanying fanfare. But why blame god? Some jack-asses tote the load, some sit and will not move.
Agnostics seem angry that God does not image the framework which parallels Jack and the beanstalk. There are no three beans, no three wishes. Believe me, th Read more:Submission
, Viewer
Certified Christian 2007-10-26 23:25:19 So, I had a pretty good chuckle tonight as I fired up the computer to see what was new on the site. Obviously, this site is partially funded through advertisement. One of the ads that I happened to see tonight on the site was for Together Christian
, a Christian web dating service. I included a shot of the ad in this post so that you have a reference point about what I found quite humorous. (You can click it to enlarge, it is just a JPG, not an ad.)
There were a handful of things that I found to be funny. (Could just be me, I know.) It is nice to know that sex still sells in the religious world. I mean, they could have used a model that looked more like Molly Shannon playing the part of “Superstar.” They opted to go with the typical blonde haired, blue-eyed model you see here with her hair pulled up as she gives you that quazi “come-hither” look.
The other thing that got me rolling was the little stamp, “Certified
Christian.” If you are a Christian r
How do Theists justify their beliefs? 2007-10-26 09:29:24 Is it ever possible to prove that religious are not hallucinations or delusions? Thus, if it cannot be proven, said religious experiences mean nothing, no matter how many one has.
The German philosopher Immanuel Kant has demolished the notion that it is possible to prove things about the nature of reality, including claims about the existence of supernatural entities, based purely on logical arguments; only perception can give us knowledge about the world.
As there is no empirical evidence for the existence of God, it is impossible to prove the existence of God. It is something that is based on blind faith or claimed religious experiences, and as far as I know, most theists justify their belief on their emotional experiences.
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Arguing God: Counter-Proselytization 2007-10-26 00:29:18 There is only one type of opposition the atheists can send against the proselytizer.
The Arrogant, Spiteful, Angry, Depressed Blasphemer
God is not subject to challenge by anyone or anything, let alone a morally bankrupt, satan-worshipping Atheist.
All good Christians can stop reading now.
(Are they gone? Good. Finally the kids are in bed and us adults can talk for awhile)
There are numerous methods used to challenge theistic belief. The following are some of my favorite counter-proselytizers.
The Logician
Simple, and direct, the Logician is all substance and no style. He can counter every position in the proselytizer’s arsenal, but wins few points for creativity or charisma. The Rational Response Squad decimated Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort a few months back with a Logician counter to Ray’s argument for God’s existence. Every technical point went to Brian Sapient and his associate, Kelly, but every talking point and sound bite went to Cameron and Comfort. The Logi Read more:Counter
Beyond Atheism 2007-10-25 21:27:57 I know that I can’t prove a negative, and atheists in general feel caught by a “democratic” need to acknowledge that since you can’t fully disprove the chance, however small, that there might be some god somewhere, you must acknowledge that the delusional claims about such entities may at least in principle have some merit.
I do not acknowledge that merit, except as a mental exercise that one can do for fun if one feels so inclined, however, because in spite of my disbelief in metaphysical beings, I’m not an atheist.
The non-belief of atheism is easy, and you can get a long way with that. I know that all things in this vast universe are ultimately connected, but as little as I consider how it affects the red spot on Jupiter that I mow my lawn, consistently with the aforementioned atheists I don’t consider the remote chance of something even less observable influencing my thoughts either.
It is easy to not believe, yet atheists seem stuck at searching Read more:Atheism
“Stop treating me like a baby” demands Jesus 2007-10-24 19:59:38 Son of God Jesus
Christ has lashed out at his followers for constantly “treating [Him] like a baby” and demands that all references to “the Little Lord Jesus” by Christians stop immediately.
“What’s wrong with you people,” He asked in a press statement released this week. “I’m, like, over 2000 years old already. I’m all grown up here, and you still treat me like a kid. Well, I’m NOT a kid, so you can stop it, right now.”
Jesus was especially critical of Christians who use the “little baby Jesus” motif for emotional effect.
“I’m the all-powerful Son of God who sits at the right hand of the Father - do I look like some softy sentimental baby in a manger to you?
“You people better start showing me some respect. Remember, I’m the guy who drove the thieves from the temple with a great and powerful wrath. Remember that story? That was Me. I did it before and I can do it again. So you p
52 year old scientific paper retracted after creationist misrepresentation 2007-10-29 05:24:01 A scientific paper
published in 1955 has been retracted by its author, Dr. Homer Jacobson, when he discovered creationist
s were citing his work as “proof that life could not have emerged on earth without divine intervention”.
The paper, “Information, Reproduction and the Origin of Life” (American Scientist, Sigma Xi, 1955), focused on the properties of chemicals found on Earth during the cooling-down period known as Hadean Time. It contained assertions that several conditions would need to occur simultaneously in order for these organic molecules to form, described in the paper as “incredibly unlikely”.
After googling his name for reasons of “vanity”, Dr. Jacobson came across some of his work on polymers. When creationist websites referencing his 1955 paper started appearing, he described the search results as “hideous”.
This prompted Dr. Jacobson to look over his work, and in doing so he identified a few errors - not the leas
Smith’s Wager, A Counter to Pascal 2007-10-28 19:43:48 The following is an excerpt from a speech given by George Smith
before the Society of Separationists in 1976. I hope that you enjoy it as much as I did. The full speech will be placed in the Toolbox section tomorrow.
Blaise Pascal
was the famous French mathematician, philosopher, and theologian. He came up with this argument which consequently became quite famous, which went something as follows. Reason can’t prove or disprove the existence of God. Weigh the odds. If the atheist is correct, we’re going to die, nothing will happen, and nothing is lost. But if the Christian is correct, the nonbelievers are going to believe in Hell for eternity. So it seems like the practical odds would lie with Christianity. We would wager on Christianity because the practical odds are so important. If you wager on Christianity and there is no god, you don’t lose anything.
The first obvious problem with this is it completely shoves aside the whole issue of intellectual integrity, as i Read more:Counter
The Truth About Muhammad 2007-10-28 15:54:39
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6HWCV-tMoQ
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The Missing Link Between Religion and Science 2007-10-27 20:47:42 There is growing interest in a compound found in the human brain called DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) due to the fact that it could be the missing link between Science
and Religion
.
DMT is naturally produced by an enzyme in the human body as well as those of other mammals. It is also found in certain plants grown in tropical and sub-tropical regions. What makes DMT interesting is that DMT is a hallucigenic. It is the key ingredient in the drink ayahuasca, which is used by shamans and religious leaders in South America and Africa. It even used to be used in the Middle East. It is used as part of their religious ceremonies and it is believed that by drinking it, the eye of our soul is opened. People describe scenarios where for up to 8 hours they experience hallucinations where they become part of the natural world or where they meet strange beings ranging from gods, devils to even aliens. Some have speculated that the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil that Adam and Eve were warned agai Read more:Missing
Intolerant Atheists 2007-11-04 15:17:57 Tracie Harris is a graphic designer in Austin, TX. Raised in Orlando, FL, she received her BA in Liberal Studies from the University of Central Florida. Her long, slow recovery from a rabid fundamentalist upbringing led her to the creation of Atheist Eve.
Source.
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Quotes Regarding the Bible 2007-11-04 11:25:20 “The real oppressor, enslaver, and corrupter of the people is the Bible.” Some Mistakes of Moses, Ingersoll’s Works, Vol. 2, p. 43
“Theology is not what we know about God, but what we do not know about Nature. In order to increase our respect for the Bible, it became necessary for the priests to exalt and extol that book, and at the same time to decry and belittle the reasoning powers of man. The whole power of the pulpit has been used for hundreds of years to destroy the confidence of man in himself–to induce him to distrust his own powers of thought, to believe that he was wholly unable to decide any question for himself, and that all human virtue consists in faith and obedience. The church has said, ‘Believe and obey!’ If you reason you will become an unbeliever, and unbelievers will be lost. If you disobey, you will do so through vain pride and curiosity, and will, like Adam and Eve, be thrust from Paradise forever! For my part, I care noth Read more:Quotes
Padre Pio ‘faked his stigmata with acid’ 2007-11-03 21:47:16 Padre Pio, the friar with fingerless gloves whose image is found on a million Catholic key chains; who was canonised before 200,000 ecstatic pilgrims five years ago, was a charlatan who deliberately mutilated himself with acid to give the appearance of bearing the stigmata of Christ, according to evidence to be published next week.
Padre Pio, whose real name was Francesco Forgione, died in 1968. He was made a saint in 2002. A recent survey in Italy showed that more people prayed to him than to Jesus or the Virgin Mary. He exhibited stigmata throughout his life, starting in 1911.
The Italian historian Sergio Luzzatto will release Padre Pio, Miracles and politics in 20th century Italy – a book producing new evidence from Vatican archives, which he says proves that the charismatic friar secretly procured carbolic acid with which to burn his hands, feet and sides.
The allegations are not new: two successive popes regarded Padre Pio as a fraud.
What Does the Catholic Church REALLY Do? 2007-11-03 17:25:04
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ZEITGEIST, The Movie 2007-11-03 16:24:08 This movie was pointed out to me by a commenter. I had never watched it, until today. Now, I post here for those of you that have not seen it. Long intro, but good movie.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331
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An Atheist’s Experience in a Children’s Hospice 2007-11-03 01:41:04 Please read this article.
An Atheist
nurse writes about her experiences with Christian families in a Children
’s Hospice, speaking firsthand about the negative, real-world effects of prayer. Instead of helping their children work on their to-do lists in the short time they have left, the parents and family stand around, talking to themselves.
A moving account.
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What is the Function of the Soul? 2007-10-31 16:19:58 I remember asking my Pastor this question as a youth, “Where is the soul located? And where can you find the supporting scripture in the Bible?” The answer that I got? “That’s a great question! You know, I don’t think that I have been asked that before, but I know that I have come across the answer before in the Bible. Can I find it for you and get back to you?” He never got back to me…
Looking back, I think that I should have worded the question a little differently. I would like to know what the function of the soul is. After all, if God creates everything to serve a function, ie everything has a purpose, than what is the purpose of the soul? I would contend that if there is a god and it is the Judeo-Christian god, then souls are merely chess pieces to be won or lost.
I realize that what I am going to say next is completely void of romance (my apologies to my wife). Just about everything that we can think of is controlled in some way by the
Parenting Beyond Belief (the book) 2007-11-08 19:47:53 First of all I would like to thank Ute for recommending this book to me. I have to admit that I was surprised to find this book in the local library. Not only there, but it was checked out at the time I looked for it and I had to reserve it! It is edited by Dale McGowan. I can’t say it is written by him because it is a book that has many authors. All of these people have opinions and/or stories about their lives and their views on atheism, how to raise children with ethics and morals, and even some funny and some sad stories that they have experienced.
I have a hard time really trying to explain why I was compelled to read it in the first place. I remember talking to Ute about raising a child who can think for herself and feel confident in her decisions. I don’t want her life to be guided by the guilt that mine was (if you think something bad God will know and you won’t go to Heaven). I know that I have had a lot going on with me this year. You can read my pa Read more:Parenting
The Prayer Diet 2007-11-08 19:13:20 Well, as I was wandering the aisles of my local library, not looking for anything in particular, something caught my eye. It was the word diet, and then my jaw dropped. This book is called “The Prayer
Diet” and it is written by Matthew Anderson, D.Min. He is also a contributor on Ediets.com. I read the back of the book to see if it was really about a diet built around prayer, and it is. Jackie Van Nuys from California says this: “A miracle occurred in my life. I lost fifteen pounds by praying! Now I will be praying about everything. Thank you, thank you, thank you!”
After I had checked the book out of the library I couldn’t wait to get home and read it. For some reason I kept thinking that it was a hoax. Then I got to page 29. The author encourages the reader to recite the following prayer: “I realize that I cannot control my weight and my life. I let go and surrender to your love and care. Thy will be done.” After that he says &
What kind of atheist are you? 2007-11-08 18:02:31 Take the test:
My results:
Angry Atheist
–>
83%
Militant Atheist
–>
83%
Agnostic
–>
75%
Scientific Atheist
–>
75%
Spiritual Atheist
–>
58%
Apathetic Atheist
–>
50%
Theist
–>
0%
http://quizfarm.com/test.php?q_id=34703N
I guess I am angrier than I thought.
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Altruism Monthly- Fallen Patriots Fund 2007-11-08 16:58:12 Thanks to our loyal viewers and talented authors, TJM has exceeded what I ever thought it could be. The discussions have gone further than I had imagined and the diversity of of those that comment on the articles is amazing. (At least, to me.) I started the site out with no real expectations other than hoping to discuss various topics regarding theology, religion and psychology. I never for a minute thought that TJM would get viewed by thousands a day. The best I hoped for was maybe a few hundred a month. I really want to thank those that have contributed their time, talent, expertise and creativity to the site.
Considering the reach that we have had lately, it seems that the right thing to do is to try to use the site for other purposes as well. We will be accepting donations every month for a specific cause. Those causes will be submitted by you, the viewer.
The first cause that we will be collecting for is The FallenPatriots
Fund.
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How Dare You!!! 2007-11-07 15:31:06 I’ve been an atheist my whole life. Even though I was raised that atheism is “akin to Satanism”, I always felt that I was not an evil person. However, toleration for beliefs other than mine these days, is at times, very trying.
I love humans…not gods, but when a religious human approaches me with the “I’m Heavenbound” attitude, I tend to let my feathers get ruffled like a fighting rooster.
I speak of atheism openly online at different forums, as a free person in the US. And why not? We have been afforded that freedom in our Constitution.
Why do some of our fellow American Christians feel the need to enter Atheistic/Agnostic-themed web sites only to oppose the non-believers and doubters? Speaking for myself…I would never dream of entering Christian websites and challenging their faith. Why do they feel the need to proselytize without an invitation to do so! How dare you!
Atheists have just as much right to reside here as anyone else. We pay t
Jehovah’s Witness mother dies after refusing blood 2007-11-07 08:35:24 A young Jehovah’s Witness
has died after giving birth to twins, amid claims that she had refused a blood transfusion because of her faith. Emma Gough, 22, of Telford, Shropshire, gave birth on 25 October. The Royal Shrewsbury Hospital said an internal review into the case would take place.
The twins, a boy and a girl, are healthy and are being cared for by their father, Anthony Gough, 24.
A friend said the family was going through “immense… turmoil and grief”.
“We follow the Bible and abstain from blood and I’ve got no reason to believe that Emma didn’t share those views,” the friend Terry Lovejoy added.
Christine Harris, a friend of Ms Gough’s mother
-in-law Sham Gough, said: “The family have told me that a blood transfusion wouldn’t have saved Emma.”
Tom Taylor, chief executive of the Shrewsbury and Telford Hospital NHS Trust, said: “We have offered our deepest condolences to the family, and our thou
“Buried” in Superstition 2007-11-06 19:59:47 Superstition is defined as the following:
1 a: a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation b: an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition 2: a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary
Due to the poor housing market as of late, more and more morons seem to be popping up all over. I am speaking of all you idiots that truly feel that burying a statue of “St. Joseph” in your yard will help you sell your home faster. What a bunch of morons you are! (Let alone the fact that you have no idea WHAT Joseph, if he did exist, looked like.) I would like to know what you people are smoking…and where I can get some.
From The Baltimore Sun:
With the worst housing market in recent years, St. Joseph is enjoying a flurry of attention. Some vendors of religious supplies say St. Joseph statues are flying off the shelves as an increas Read more:Buried
, Superstition
Religion and Atheism… 2007-11-04 20:01:37 …can in fact co-exist, if I say so myself. My recent visit to Germany proved that it is actually possible. Even the most religious person I met did not bombard me with the usual questions that I’ve heard here en masse. None of the “How can you be moral without religion?” “You have to believe in something.” “Don’t you think we must be here for a reason?” I am not sure if it was simply a try to avoid conflict or discretion that forbid them to ask, to discuss who or what has turned me into an Atheist.
Either way, after being very active and passionate here (at home) about Atheism
and Religion
I found it pleasantly relaxing to just be… to sit back, relax, chat with all kinds of people (parents) of all kinds of faiths, realizing that we all had one thing in common… to raise our children, keep them safe, live happy and in peace and to have friends.
Arriving back in the States and leaving the airport the first thing I saw wa
Ode to Christian Joe 2007-11-12 17:35:47 Where do you stand on life? When will it begin? When will what begin?” you may ask.
When will peace begin? When will love outweigh the hatred of different faiths, but yet that person and you believe in the same god.?
When is your Messiah returning? You wait for him like a blind man searching for his canine friend that died years before. Has the blind man forgotten about the death or does he choose to ignore the truth? 2000 years is a long time to be searching for truth or proof.
You grasp to any image claiming, “it is a sign”. Your “virgin births”, “miracle healings”, and “Great Flood” claims are only mythological stories, not fact. When I see you raising your hands toward the sky, I suspect this action is an act.
When will you realize no one is coming back from the dead? When will you take responsibility of your evil deeds? When will you stop the actions of your child-molesting clergy? When will you come to your senses and lay down those beads?
When did lif Read more:Christian
How Shall I Respond? 2007-11-12 12:55:46 How shall I respond if you ask me,
What are you?
Do you believe in God?
If not, What do you believe in?
Don’t you believe in anything?
Shall I make a list and carry it around
Lest you judge me for not having any beliefs?
“Judge not, that ye be not judged”
I wonder who said that?
Oh yeah, It was the same guy who judged
Those who didn’t like his preaching and said:
“Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers,
How can ye escape the damnation of hell.”
How civilized. How tolerant.
What a gentleman.
I shall respond civilized.
I shall respond with tolerance.
I shall rise above the fear, which controls you,
The fear, which holds you prisoner and,
I shall proudly say:
I am a Humanist, a Free Thinker
A Naturalist, a Skeptic
A Secularist, a Scientist at heart,
An Agnostic, a Nontheist
A Rationalist, an Empiricist, and a Positivist.
And Last I am an Atheist.
“For I am a destroyer of Gods
In a world of Demons,
A giver of hope to those who know not,
For I am Huma Read more:Respond
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