Celibacy

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the Pope invites me to lunch during his visit, I'd humbly give my opinion, between bites, on the Western-rite clergy and celibacy. It's something that he's already thought about. The Pope discusses celibacy in this article. History of celibacy, an article from newadvent.org explains that celibacy amongst priests was officially enacted in 1215 to fight corruption, especially involving the property of the church, and making it, therefore, a discipline and not a dogma. I know that arguments exist for celibacy and that celibacy can have a good effect on some people, but the Pope, in my humble opinion, should lift the ban. The first reason is the severe demographic decline of many nominally Catholic countries including Spain, France, and Italy where birth rates are not even at replacement

Hhere is Part 7 in my debate on priestly celibacy. Unless "Devin" responds back again, this will be the last installment in the debate. Thanks everyone for hangin in there with me. Also see Parts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 (or just peep the original thread for yourself).Pax Christi,phatcatholic- - - - - - - - - -doesnt your Church have a requirement that all their priests MUST be Celibant?Well, the Latin (or "Roman") Rite of the Church has that requirement, normatively speaking. The pope has made a concession for married Anglican pastors who convert to Catholicism and become priests. They aren't required to forsake their families. In the Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church, a man who is already married may become a priest, but if he is single when he becomes a priest, he can't marry someone afterwards. Bishops however cannot be married either before or after becoming bishop. I think it is noteworthy that, even in the Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church, where it is technically allowed fo

Here is Part 6 in my debate on priestly celibacy. I realize that this debate probably has too many parts too it, but if I make my posts too long then nobody reads them. I hope that this has been easy to follow so far and that it has been helpful. With Part 6 we pick back up with "Devin" again. Also see Parts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 (or just peep the original thread for yourself).Pax Christi,phatcatholic - - - - - - - - - -how can you judge rather or not someone is best suited for the role?Ask Paul that. He did the same thing in 1 Cor 7. Have you read that chapter yet?theres no scriptural mandate saying that the man MUST be celibate.I never said that men must be celibate, at least not how I think you understand it. You need to read my words carefully here b/c my position is nuanced.The Church isn't forcing anyone to do anything. You make it sound like the Jesuits are kidnapping people who are called to be married and forcing them to refrain from sex for the rest of their lives. That's not w

Here is Part 5 in my debate on priestly celibacy. After I made my last response to "Devin," someone else by the name of "fromdeathtolife" chimed in. So, this post is my response to him. Part 6 is another response to Devin, who was reacting to what I had written to "fromdeathtolife." I hope that makes sense. Also see Parts 1, 2, 3, and 4 (or just peep the original thread for yourself).Pax Christi,phatcatholic- - - - - - - - - -I'm not sure why the Catholic church only chooses celibate men for the priesthood.Read 1 Cor 7.Phatcatholic, I appreciate your dialog on this issue very much. I think the Catholic church should reconsider this extreme requirement for the priesthood. With the gift of singleness not being very common among believers I think it is unwise to have such a strict requirement for the priesthood.While it is true that marriage is the common vocation, men are being called to the priesthood every day. We shoudn't simply do away with celibacy simply b/c it is not as common a

Hhere is Part 4 in my debate with "Devin" on priestly celibacy. Mad props to anyone who has been keeping up with this debate so far. I hope it is helpful. Also see Parts 1, 2, and 3.Pax Christi,phatcatholic- - - - - - - - - -does the Catholic church have the Biblical right to only choose Celebate men for their priesthood?I would say so. After all, the Church is simply following the advice of St. Paul, who clearly says in 1 Cor 7 that it is more preferrable for pastors to be single, as Paul himself is. Of course, if he is single then he is consequently celibate, since sex outside of marriage is a sin (as I'm sure we all agree on).and what if a priest decides to get married? would he be asked to resign from his position? is that biblical?He would be laicized, which means that he would no longer be able to function as a priest. This is biblical for two reasons: one, b/c Jesus and Paul say that we must faithfully live out the vocation we have been given (cf. Mt 19:11-12; 1 Cor 7:17,20,24,

When asked why we couldn't use Paul as an example, Devin simply reiterated his position. Here is my response to that reiteration. Also see Parts 1 and 2.Pax Christi,phatcatholic- - - - - - - - - -because Paul wasnt a bishop or deacon.he did not serve in that office. that is why we cant use him as an example.On the contrary, all of the apostles (including Paul) were also bishops. James was the bishop of Jerusalem, yet he is an apostle. The position of Judas, another apostle, is described as "the bishoprick" in Acts 1:20 (KJV).What's interesting is that the word for shepherd in the NT, poimen, is translated as "pastor" in Eph 4:11, and the KJV Greek Lexicon says that the word can be applied to "the overseers of the Christian assemblies." Our English word "pastor" comes from the Latin pastorem, which means "shepherd." This shows that the bishops were shepherds and pastors.The role of the bishop, or "overseer," is compared to that of a shepherd in Acts 20:28, and Jesus gave Peter the tas

Here is Part 2 in my debate in the HCR forum on priestly celibacy, this time in response to "Devin". Also see Part 1.Pax Christi,phatcatholic - - - - - - - - - -Paul was a apostle not a pastor. so we have to keep that in mind because we cant use him as an example.I've never heard that argument before. How do you define "pastor"?1st timothy 3[. . .]that scripture speaks about the deacons and bishops being married. i do believe it is a requirement of pastorship.No it doesn't. Read the passage closely. If a pastor has to have a wife, then by the same logic, he also has to have children. What then shall we make of a pastor who is married, but doesn't have any children yet (perhaps b/c they are not financially secure enough to raise a child, or b/c his wife is having trouble getting pregnant)? Or a pastor who has deceased children? Should we ban them from being pastors? I don't think you realize the implications of what you are saying. Of course, this would also mean that Paul is contra

The following debate began with a question by "fromdeathtolife" in the HCR forum. So, Part 1 will be my answer to his question. The remaining parts will constitute my response to "Devin," who also chimed in on this.Pax Christi,phatcatholic - - - - - - - - - -Phatcatholic:What scripture suggests priests be celebate?There are many passages that point to celibacy as the preferred state of a pastor:Mt 19:11-12 But he said to them, "Not all men can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. 12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this, let him receive it."This passage shows that celibacy is a gift from God. It's important to note that the Church does not force men to be celibate, as if She were restraining men who were actually called to some other way of life. Instead, She is choosing as

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