Hi,
I'm a 2 month old IBO from Singapore and I'm thankful that i was shown the business plan by my upline. I'm gonna be 20 soon and i barely earn any money but here's my 2 cents worth. To all the critics and the nit-pickers of the business plan out there, show me something better than the 40 year plan cuz i sure as hell don't wanna wind up working my arse off for a minimal pay after i graduate
I have been a distributor of Amway prod. for some time, Developed a direct distributorship at the 7500 level, it was done by sales and sponsoring. I do not have a prob. with the prod. they do exactly what they say. I lost my busi. when I moved, thinking that I had develped leaders to my level. The truth be known, I beleived in them more then they beleved in them selves, they did not quit in front
IBO Fight Back,
This is a very well written article. I got bored reading through the first half of comments, but your article was a good read. Having advanced degrees in the Sciences, logic comes very easy to me, and there is nothing wrong with your logic, however i see no logic in the arguments. The methodology was fine.
Your critics call your article a long explanation, but have clearly never
I've been following this website for quite some time and I believe that Amway does work. I have heard about Amway since I was young, and married a man who was a member for almost 10 years, because he believed in the products (his first wife died of cancer and he was looking for good quality vitamins) and as a businessman, he also saw the opportunity and over the years, he had built a steadily grow
Hi Henry,
Thanks for the comment! It's always nice to here that my internet efforts are making a difference :)
You might also want to check out Amway Watch, Amway Wiki and Amway Talk
I just entered amway business last week. I already recruited five. I thought of surfing amway's web. the first article i opened were articles proving that amway was a cult. I almost froze. But I went on looking for amway's defense. I told myself that if i cant find any defense from amway on the various attacks to this company, I will quit inn this business. I found one (the truth about amway). I d
[...] example is the myth that there has been no growth in IBOs in 30 years. This particular meme began with a post on September 1 24 by Amway/Quixtar critic [...]
InterNet Services/Yager Group is now accredited. I witnessed Doyle Yager receive the award plaque from Sandy Spielmaker of Amway Global in Cincinnati this weekend.
(1) we often attend similar types of functions held by outside organisations, and they're normally significantly more expensive.
(2) Just 2 Double X customers or 3 Artistry essentials clients a month would pay for a $125 ticket, so it's not exactly a big expense to cover. If you can't afford a hotel, sleep in a car or a tent, whatever - or just sell a few more Artistry essentials and Double X
(
I think more of a problem than the "tools" is the functions. My upline Diamond just got accredited while he is promoting a major function that is 800 miles away with $125.00 tickets and 2 nights at a hotel for $99.00 a night. The big pins still use the old, worn-out "all the leaders will be there" when they know that most of the people that attend are new and at 3% and most likely after attending
Hmmm..That might be the case. I am not sure how many people comes to function (the actual numbers) and how many people are in the organization. Its always a mistery :D
Also remember that at any given function, even though it may be a packed coliseum, it is a very small of IBOs who attend in a given large organization. Same goes for people buying tools.
I haven't seen much of it from long time. I don't know how it used to be decade back, but from last couple of years the tone is not at all religion/political. Yes sometime Bill Britt start that, but from many function he is not there at all..so can't complain.
I did not understand your statement:
"If “tools” are the problem, and so few people buy or use the tools - how can “tools” be the
A simple question - if "tools" are the problem, and so few people buy or use the tools - how can "tools" be the problem?
Accreditation is not about business building strategies and never has been. The same strategy you think is the problem in the US is having enormous success in other markets. Accreditation is about reputation. For a start, how's BWW doing on the religion/politics from stage fron
I agree bridgett that the changes can't be expected from the top dogs, as most of them might be earning their major money from the same things, which has been creating issue with Amway business from last 30 years. But the question is about the usability and effectiveness of the much hyped accredition program.
I mean the whole program was devised to comply with certain rules created by Amway, but
John said:
"What could have possibly been the cause of it taking so long? Are things on the accreidation platform that need to be negotiated? The platform doesn’t demand much of an organization."
You're obviously naive to whats involved with accrediting an organization that size. The only hickup so far was a communication breakdown about the new QBOB lieterature replacing the SA4400. Because th
Bridgett –
Regardless of the bluster some are trying to force feed us, the fact is your downline made and will continue to make a huge profit from our business model. Assuming they only sold edibles, to get an $11.34 bonus means they had retail volume of about $445. Wholesale cost would be about $365 so they made a retail profit/savings of $80 plus their $11.34 bonus = $91 total income. Tha
and john,
Having personally helped one of those college kids
(that you so desperately want to save from the evil Amway and the evil Systems)
build a profitable Platinumship, I am proud of what I do and I will "brag" about it until the cows come home.
That college kid went Platinum as a single, and is now married and he and his wife have recently gone on to Ruby.
You continue with your cause,
john,
You are choosing to address only part of my comments
as well as
negate current facts that IBOs make profit in the Amway business when they treat it like a business and not a job.
The more I get around business owners--not just ones affiliated with Amway but all in my community at the Chamber of Commerce and such-- it is truly striking to me the difference in the way business owners th
IBOfightback,
You stated that WWDB might already be accredited. So your knowledge base is obviously limited. TWS debunked the possibility that they are already accredited. If you read the accreditation platform, you will see there is nothing that needs to be done except a little transparency.
Bridgett,
Just so I am clear. The IBO you use as your model of your business according t
John asked re accreditation -
What could have possibly been the cause of it taking so long?
Clearly you have no idea what getting accredited involves. Go ask Quixtar, since I'm sure you won't believe us.
If, if, if, if John.
What about the retail profit he made on the 90+ PV he did?
Yes he is on Premier because our websites rock. In other words, HE FINDS VALUE IN SOMETHING THE "EVIL" SYSTEM OFFERS.
(for the record,this IBO is not on Kate and does not purchase CDs or books)
The guideline from my evil system is get people making money in the first 30 days.
And, even if he weren't making a prof
Bridgett,
If that IBO you mention made $11.34, and is doing what WWDB teaches as CORE, he spent about 15 times that much on Premier, his CDs, cost to attend rally, Kate, his book of the month and ofcourse his product samples and brochures.
So his net loss so far is probably about $140 (actually more considering mileage to functions, etc). So tell me again how you are helping him. And
Are you now going to say "shame on you!" for ripping off that "struggling IBO" for $83.17?
Should I have given him that money, john?
Maybe a few cases of XS?
Oh you're a hoot!
;)
john,
Number 1: You are pulling numbers out of the sky
and
Number 2: You are not giving a full picture--incomes and expenses.
and
Number 3:You think 7 bucks is a lot of money?
For the sake of putting numbers in context let me share with you some REAL numbers;
Last month, a personally sponsored IBO of ours ran 145.68 PV and 378.05 BV in personal and customer volume.
He has not sponsored an
Close Date : September 02,2008Founded in the United States in 1959, Amway is one of the world’s leading direct selling companies operating in 90 countries and territories around the world with our vision “Helping People Live Better Lives”.As business has expanded, we have connected with people by offering them the opportunity to experience the business potentials of our quality products.We a
Rocket, ummm ... yeah, $4.5billion at estimated retail, which is $3.4billion in revenues - exactly as I reported. Did you have a point or just feel the need to open your mouth and remove all doubt?
By the way:
In 1993, Amway reported estimated retail sales of $4.5 billion, which according to your Amway Wiki is about 32% more than the volume.
Wrong again.
Too bad, an idiot may be impressed with you and your "facts"
How much of those billions do you claim, incidentally?
Thought so. yap yap yap.
The products are overpriced and of poor value, therefore:
"......so you won’t find Amway publishing prices online"
Nice way of saying that they wait until you're hyped before presenting the truth.
Ahem. Your site is now listed, after some internal discussion at DMOZ, along with the corporate sites. We'll see whether it stays. If _you_ suggest the other sites you mentioned there, they'll be given due consideration.
Of course, there could always be a change of plan. DMOZ is a little more stable than Wikipedia, but I couldn't really call it a bastion of stability.
Last I checked Amway Australia ABOs weren't trying to sell Double X or glister to Americans?
And how did you calculate US tax since it's different in different states?
Apart from that, as has already been announced there's apparently some price adjustments coming to Amway Oz next month.
The product prices of CORE line products are much more expensive in Australia compared to USA.. the products like double x, artistry line, all nutrilite line, home products including the toothpastes, etc.. and the average income in Australia is much lower, and the cost of living is high in major cities in Australia compared to USA.. how does the company expects to grow faster...??
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